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Vamis Threen · Aug 20, 2007, 01:07 PM // 13:07

Perhaps it's just my current paranoia (I gave away a Victory token last week for free and have been living in fear of being banned, accused of duping) but I have been thinking about my current main in-game pursuit, and just how legitimate it is; buying unid golds.

The Wisdom title is the most feasible PvE title that I can chase untiil GWEN comes out; so whenever I'm not putting toons through NF I hang around Bergen and Drok's and buy unids from monks with names in unusual scripts who don't belong to guilds...... and their chat's not much good either......... I sometimes wonder if they're bots but if I ask them questions they'll make some irrelevant reply. I don't like to press on the matter them as I'm worried I'll sound racist. (And get banned.)

Anyway, they offer golds about 3-4k for 7. Even post-HM deflation, this seems "too good to be true" to me- this strikes me as much the same reason for banning those people who were accepting ambraces- they took deals that "were too good to be true".

Anyway, there have been a some posts about unids on this forum recently, and the practice seems to be frowned upon in the wiki, but there doesn't seem to be another realistic way of getting Wisdom maxed in under twenty years without buying them. So I wondered could other members of the community help calibrate my moral compass on this one?

ForgeWhelp · Aug 20, 2007, 01:19 PM // 13:19

4k for 7 unid is pretty common now, the price has been slowly dropping for a while.

EroChrono · Aug 20, 2007, 01:25 PM // 13:25

First of all; if you gave away 1, just 1, victory token you have absolutely no reason, what so ever, to be banned, as 1 token is worth about 2 seconds of farming, no big deal..

As for the unid'd issue; yesterday, while browsing the screenshot forum, I saw someone who bought 2 unid's for 500g each (rare skin weapons, perfect dmg mod :P), he seems to be a respected member of the guru comminuty and I doubt someone like that would let himself into illegit activities to later show it off on a forum..
I doubt it would be considered illegal by ANet to buy those golds. As Gaile said on the duping issue; ANet can check every single trade, they'd see there just unid'd golds. Buying it is not the crime, I'd say..

Saraphim · Aug 20, 2007, 01:31 PM // 13:31

That's an interesting point, I think. Until recently I didn't know that some unid sellers were bots, yes I know.. .naieve.. but then I never bought them so had no real awareness.

Considering that (generally speaking) people seem to think bots are "illegal" or at best a pain, I find it odd that they would be willing to buy these golds at all. After all, the gold they pay for them will then be put online and sold for real world cash, so buying them only adds to the bot problem, yes?

So, it could be argued that knowingly buying unid golds from bots is not much better than knowingly buying duped items? If they know or suspect that the seller is a bot, then are they (the buyers) breaking the EULA to obtain the golds? Whether it has as big an impact on the economy as duping, I don't know. I'm not a trader, but it seems that it's been going on longer than the duping (was) and won't be stopping any time soon.

Just my 2 pennies anyway.

Solas · Aug 20, 2007, 01:38 PM // 13:38

yeah, im curious too.
have anet said anything about it?

i nkow its been goign on for a long whil,e jsut reassureance i guess

makosi · Aug 20, 2007, 01:44 PM // 13:44

I occasionally buy them if i see 7 for 3.5k or something.

I've learned that having and pursuing ethics is pointless in GW because you only shoot yourself in the foot. Even if you know they're bot farmers and gold sellers, you should do as you please because you can't enjoy the game whilst worrying about the origin of the goods.

You most definitely won't be banned if it is a legitimate trade between two players. The other person - even if it is a bot farmer - is not your problem.

joze · Aug 20, 2007, 01:49 PM // 13:49

As to the question of ethics,

ANet thinks some things are against their EULA, and some not. I don't think you will be banned for buying unidentified gold items though - people have been doing that for years now.
As to accepting trades with 200+ Armbraces without even being suspicious, that's probably what ANet think is against their EULA.

Saraphim · Aug 20, 2007, 02:11 PM // 14:11

Hmmm... but could long-term unid selling / buying between gold seller's bots and players be just as much a EULA offence as one-off dupe buying?

Say for example a player had bought half of their wisdom title using unid golds at 7 for 3.5k (over time probably) .. I make that about 2.5m gold that's gone to gold sellers for them to sell online.

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Originally Posted by joze

ANet thinks some things are against their EULA, and some not. I don't think you will be banned for buying unidentified gold items though - people have been doing that for years now.

I guess you're right. At the end of the day if Vamis wants to "balance" his moral compass on this one, the only thing I can say is, if you think bots harm the game, don't buy from them, as you are most certainly aiding their gold gathering pursuits. If you don't care, buy them. If it's not a bannable offence then you can only decide for yourself based on your personal feelings on the subject.

liner · Aug 20, 2007, 03:00 PM // 15:00

you could ofcourse not bother with the wisdom title track in the first place, and go for the treasure hunter one instead?

Roshi_ikkyu · Aug 20, 2007, 03:46 PM // 15:46

I've done it before and I'm still ingame.

I know a few sellers who are actual players (They chest run, and end up with alot of crap golds)
And the weird ones which people consider bot are just gold farmer employees. Haven't heard of anyone yet getting banned for buying unided, but you are likely to get pm about gold sites and unided for x K

korcan · Aug 20, 2007, 03:59 PM // 15:59

youre just supporting botters by buying unid golds. people who buy ig gold via real world cash would be disappointed if you stopped.

i dont care if you do or you dont but im sure you wont be banned for doing so. buying unids that is

Aug 20, 2007, 04:27 PM // 16:27

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Originally Posted by korcan

youre just supporting botters by buying unid golds. people who buy ig gold via real world cash would be disappointed if you stopped.

That's BS. I do chest runs and once I get 7 bad req gold I sell them UNID in trade chat. Not all UNID item sellers are bots, and I'm sure that most are not bots.

onerabbit · Aug 20, 2007, 04:39 PM // 16:39

ive bought about 3000 unids (guess were i got em =D).. not been baned and not even thought about being banned

Coridan · Aug 20, 2007, 04:44 PM // 16:44

Same here i often sale unids....and i don't even bother to test em for anything other than hp mods. When i get a mule full of them I either sale em unid or find someone paying to id golds...which equals out to about the same cash...sometimes the latter is better since you genereally get the items that you go back..and sometime they have decen mods which can be salvaged or sold.

So to say that all UNID sellers are bots is a lie...please refrain from commenting about things that you don't know about.

Hou Lifu · Aug 20, 2007, 05:02 PM // 17:02

Big Brother, err ANet, is watching.

Malice Black · Aug 20, 2007, 10:38 PM // 22:38

Banned for buying unid?? lol

Nah..I've bought tons of them from gold sellers/bots..

The Herbalizer · Aug 20, 2007, 10:50 PM // 22:50

Bots used to be a good source of income back in the day. Never heard of a ban from buying from bots.

Griff Mon · Aug 20, 2007, 11:33 PM // 23:33

I bought several of these when getting close to another tier of that title and only once did I think I was dealing with a bot. Kept trying to open a trade window with me and sell me more after I closed the window. Did this again and again until I zoned out.

Agent Mold3r · Aug 20, 2007, 11:41 PM // 23:41

some people say they can check un-ided items for good mods....if there arent any good mods/runes they sell them, how do you do this?

makosi · Aug 20, 2007, 11:51 PM // 23:51

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Originally Posted by Agent Mold3r

some people say they can check un-ided items for good mods....if there arent any good mods/runes they sell them, how do you do this?

As far as I know, you can check the damage mod of a melee weapon by having 12 in the respective attirubte and using Wild Blow. A sword with 15-22 damage and no damage mod will deal 22 damage with Wild Blow (*I think*). This is done on the 60AL barrel in the Isle of the Nameless.

You can change the condition to establish which modifier it does have. For example, enchant yourself, use a stance, hex the foe, become hexed and see which condition raises the damage for Wild Blow.

*The above is a rough idea. I don't know the solid facts.*